Naming and Unnaming with Jason Adam Miller

In this episode of the Awareness to Action Enneagram podcast, Mario Sikora, María José Munita, Seth "Creek" Creekmore speak with Jason Adam Miller, a pastor based in South Bend, Indiana. Continuing with their series on spirituality, Jason shares his spiritual journey with the Enneagram and the importance of self-awareness for good spiritual work. He also talks about his book, “When The World Breaks: The Surprising Hope and Subversive Promises in the Teachings of Jesus.”

“We’ve been doing a series on spirituality and the reason that we’re having people on to talk about it instead of us just talking about it is because we’re not pastors.” -Creek [01:27]

“I’m a fan of it when it’s really well used by wise practitioners, and I’m very concerned about it when it just becomes another way to reduce people.” -Jason [06:45]

“For me, it always comes down to what kind of question am I asking? Is it a question rooted in objectivity or subjectivity? And there are different tools for addressing those things.” -Mario [28:02]

“When you’re intellectually curious and honest and value these things, you tend to change your mind along the way, and when you’re teaching, changing your mind might be tricky.” -María José [35:21]

TIMESTAMPS

[00:01] Intro

[00:59] This week’s guest, Jason Adam Miller

[04:28] Jason’s experience with the Enneagram

[07:07] Personal frustrations with the Enneagram

[12:17] The cycle of naming and unnaming

[15:24] Jason’s spiritual journey

[22:21] Two types of knowledge

[31:33] Science vs faith is the wrong question

[35:12] Changing your mind might be tricky

[40:45] Process to weigh non-definable knowledge

[45:14] How Jason’s Enneagram type shapes him